You are not connected. Please login or register

Global Warming, hoax?

Go to page : 1, 2  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down  Message [Page 1 of 2]

1 Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:18 pm

T@D

avatar
*pWp*Founder*
*pWp*Founder*
Global warming. It's a serious trend, that if addressed and taken care of has been proven to be one of the proven end-all's to the world as we know it..... right?


BULLSHIT. It's a bout time these asshats were exposed for that they truely are...... liars. All of you that believe in this global warming movement, you might wanna take a seat on this one..

Al Gore... the front runner in this global warming BS, making a movie, winning awards, being held as this supreme humanitarian is full of shit. All of these process and events to raise money, government grants, tax dollars spent were wasted to fix a problem that dosent even exist. And whats worse is.... they have known for yearssssssss that it didn't exist, but they kept the "show on the road" any way.

Basically what has happened is some hacker has hacked email accounts and has made public thousands of emails of scientists and even new media members admitting to changing result numbers to continue to back their "proof" of global warming.

So I dont use to much info from the news report... Ill post it for you all to read...

With the UN's International Conference on Climate Change in Copenhagen only weeks away, recent revelations have thrown a monkey wrench in the plans of global warming activists to implement a worldwide treaty which would impose costly sanctions on the industrialized west and effect a massive wealth transfer to developing nations. The Obama administration had appeared willing to sign away a great deal of U..S sovereignty and transfer significant power over U.S. citizens to an unelected international bureaucracy, but the latest news may make it impossible to use anthropogenic global warming as a pretext for expanding the power of the administration's transnational socialist allies.

It started with the reluctant acknowledgment by many climatologists that despite past opposition, the claims of skeptics that the Earth has actually been cooling were essentially true. German scientists from the Liebnitz Institute for Marine Studies and the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology led the way, admitting that "global warming is taking a break," referring to the increasingly widespread acknowledgment that for the last decade temperatures have remained stable and that over the last 40 years the level of overall warming is considerably lower than previously claimed.

Even "Global Warming Central" at Britain's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research had to admit that their past figures were suspect and that rather than a 0.2% temperature increase over the past decade their adjusted figures suggested only a 0.07% temperature increase during that period. Hadley has always been a leading source for global warming activism and their computer models and data analysis techniques are being looked at with increasing skepticism as they remain one of the few climate research groups still reporting any warming at all over the last 10 years.

This week Hadley became the center of a storm of controversy over "climategate" when a hacker accessed their internal network and made over a thousand emails and documents public, revealing what looks like a concerted effort to misrepresent the results of their research, manufacture bogus data, suppress data, tweak models to produce desired results, and carry out smear campaigns against climate change skeptics. As the story unfolds some are describing it as one of the greatest scientific scandals of the modern era. As the scandal has unfolded the reputations of some of the most prominent climate scientists have been placed in doubt and ties have been exposed to journalists and media outlets who seem to have been complicit in the conspiracy.

Reports from the UN's International Panel on Climate Change which were used as the basis for hysteria about global warming were based primarily on data processed by Hadley scientists, data which has now been acknowledged to be incorrect by the authors as well as being exposed as possibly fraudulent. It seems possible that a cabal of politically motivated scientists directly manipulated the IPCC to produce reports based on bogus data to advance a globalist agenda.

Even former Vice President Al Gore, who has filled the role of High Priest for the global warming movement, admitted earlier this month that the science was not entirely convincing, that C02 probably did not cause the global warming he had previously claimed, and that the fight against pollution was more a spiritual than scientific one.

President Obama and other world leaders have been backing away from full support for UN climate regulation plans and it looks like the Copenhagen conference may turn into a debate over the legitimacy of global warming theory rather than the triumphant enshrining of a massive UN power grab as originally intended. With the new revelations of fraud and error fueling more widespread skepticism, Europeans have joined Americans in their growing opposition to draconian economic restrictions based on a suspect and politically-driven climate change theory. If President Obama does go to Copenhagen he may find himself in the middle of a firestorm of controversy which he and his party cannot afford going into an election year.


Suck on that fuckers. Wasting the worlds money when we have REAL problems that need to be addressed. A pathetic reminder that noone "cares" truely from the higher levels about me, or you, or the world.... it's all about money. Whats really sad is after finding this EXTREME news out... I had to search for it. This should be front page news EVERYWHERE... but it's not. Why? Cause theres no money in it if dis-proven. The media, government, and part of the science community can piss off.


You say "go green" I say "go fuck yourself"


__________________________________________________________________________________________




"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.... Faith is the denial of observation so that beliefs can be preserved."


*{CHS}* Putch: im bringing sexxy back
*pWp*T@D*: I brought it back. But you are more then welcomed to fluff it.

<-H$*SoStoned / Pillies -: whos your quake fun person of the year taddie bear?!?!??!
*pWp*T@D*: me... dipshit.
*pWp*T@D*: Im the fun
.
http://www.pwpclan.org

2 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:32 pm

big*buck

avatar
Retired
Retired
Someone is mad...lol

I do believe in global warming. The toxins that are produced from our vehicles, factories, and everyother motorized machine can not be helping our atmosphere any.

3 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:10 pm

T@D

avatar
*pWp*Founder*
*pWp*Founder*
big*buck wrote:
I do believe in global warming. The toxins that are produced from our vehicles, factories, and everyother motorized machine can not be helping our atmosphere any.

Huh? How do you believe in global warming still after the advocates of global warming them self proved it doesn't exist. The CO2, that they claimed is harming us and causing global warming......isn't, at all.


__________________________________________________________________________________________




"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.... Faith is the denial of observation so that beliefs can be preserved."


*{CHS}* Putch: im bringing sexxy back
*pWp*T@D*: I brought it back. But you are more then welcomed to fluff it.

<-H$*SoStoned / Pillies -: whos your quake fun person of the year taddie bear?!?!??!
*pWp*T@D*: me... dipshit.
*pWp*T@D*: Im the fun
.
http://www.pwpclan.org

4 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:33 pm

Shadow


Retired
Retired
I believe in nothing besides myself :3

Also yeah, this is a natural process. Ice caps melt, then floods, then ice age, then melt again.

Over and over and over and over.

5 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:14 pm

tool

avatar
Retired
Retired
Shadow wrote:I believe in nothing besides myself :3

Also yeah, this is a natural process. Ice caps melt, then floods, then ice age, then melt again.

Over and over and over and over.

True that. Global Warming DOES exist, but we aren't the cause of it. Warming, freezing, storms, tsunamis, etc., are all natural processes that we, as humans, have no control over nor are affecting it in any way.

Watch this George Carlin video on Saving The Planet. It's funny and completely true.

http://www.myspace.com/kaylaandme

6 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:28 pm

eXcel


I Just got here!
anyone with a brain wouldnt belive that global warming..


but i do belive in other problems.. like water


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident


me too i saw it today at school watching wikipedia casually
and even there it was on the side
there were barelly 3 lines about it...lmao!

7 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:49 pm

METALLICAT


I Just got here!
I agree its BS, but shouldnt this be in the new Debate section TAd:D

8 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:48 pm

TheRustySpoon

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

9 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:29 am

Insekz

avatar
Retired
Retired
This thread has many useless replies.

I believe in global warming, but it's a natural disaster. Are we the cause of volcanoes erupting? Or floods? or Tsunamis?

Nothing could be done to fix it, not electric cars or people eating less meat or using less energy, None of that will ever, ever help earth, even if it did, were too far in now anyway.

10 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:07 am

tool

avatar
Retired
Retired
$ke7ch wrote:This thread has many useless replies.

I believe in global warming, but it's a natural disaster. Are we the cause of volcanoes erupting? Or floods? or Tsunamis?

Nothing could be done to fix it, not electric cars or people eating less meat or using less energy, None of that will ever, ever help earth, even if it did, were too far in now anyway.

exactly. Like George Carlin said in that video I posted, "The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles…hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages…And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference?"

If anything, Global Warming isn't hurting the planet, it's hurting us, and the good old human complex of "save ourselves" has made these fuckwads in the government and these douchebags in the environmental field actually seem like they give a shit, when in reality they're just worried what will happen to THEM, not the PLANET.

http://www.myspace.com/kaylaandme

11 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:08 am

TheRustySpoon

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
Are u implying that you dont care about ourselves? Global warming obviously isn't hurting the planet. The planet is not alive. But what it is hurting is all the wildlife and ecosystems and most importantly, us. The same old, life will go on doesn't apply. New life and new oppurtunities will arise, but at a cost of what? The extinction of others.

Meh i believe in global warming, and if shit comes to worst and there seems to be no way to stop it, well then that's still no excuse to give up.

Also another thing, whether you believe in global warming or not, going green should be completely separate from the idea of global warming if you'd like. For example, electric/hybrid/ethanol/whatever new cars and in fact all these new technology with solar cell research and the new efficient giant wind turbines blah blah blah renewable energy, the goal is to create fossil fuel independence. Isn't that a nice thing to strife for? Isn't that something worth not going to wars for?

As for recycling, proper garbage disposal and resource consumption. Are you really gonna argue about the effects of heavy metals (NO NOT THE MUSIC) leeching is negligible? The effects of billion cellphones in landfills should be ignored? No way man. Lol my parents dont really recycle cause they dont like garbage pile up in the home, so i take the time to do this... why? well its hell alot better time spent than q3 or youtube.

When it comes down to it, going green is gonna save people's ass whether you believe in global warming or not. But dont expect results soon, at this seminar/speech thing the profs at my school (one is working on silicon based, another on organic based cell) said they are still far off from developing an economical mass deployment of solar cells that CAN complete with the market. As for other "renewable" sources that is being pursued COUGH ethanol is fail COUGH. Dont expect anything major to come out in terms of energy production (i still think we should just all switch to nuclear power). So yeh again, of course the world leaders are backing off from all these renewable energy initiatives. MONEY MONEY MONEY!

We are waiting for a technological solution in terms of energy production (that or a radical policy change to nuclear power like france did). But in the mean time, lets do what we can which is to converse resources and shape the society behaviours so we will be more open to it when the technology becomes available.

12 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:10 am

Pornfish

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
So? Just because the physical mass of the Earth will survive, does that make it wrong for people to worry about the survival of humankind? Yes, the planet has been through worse, but humanity hasn't. I don't get your point here. Are you implying that it is wrong for humans to "give a shit" about their survival?

Edit: spoon beat me to it.


__________________________________________________________________________________________
"butts" -butts

13 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:18 am

TheRustySpoon

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
$ke7ch wrote:This thread has many useless replies.

I believe in global warming, but it's a natural disaster. Are we the cause of volcanoes erupting? Or floods? or Tsunamis?

Nothing could be done to fix it, not electric cars or people eating less meat or using less energy, None of that will ever, ever help earth, even if it did, were too far in now anyway.

It is not a natural disaster. Volcanoes erupting and floods can be explained with the mechanics of earth by scientific community. Global warming, as the majority of the science community agrees is caused by us. And no offense to anyone on here, but i'd much better to trust and leave the thinking to someone with degrees and has done research on this matter. Where there is a difference in opinion is whether we can stop it or not. And i do hope so.

P.s. regarding to shit personalities of al gore or whatever scientists, meh its one thing to dick but that means nothing. Newton was a complete asshole. But that doesn't mean the universal law of gravitation fails or calculus fails.

14 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:20 am

TheRustySpoon

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
pss where the heck did u put the edit button ?!

15 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:21 am

tool

avatar
Retired
Retired
Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:So? Just because the physical mass of the Earth will survive, does that make it wrong for people to worry about the survival of humankind? Yes, the planet has been through worse, but humanity hasn't. I don't get your point here. Are you implying that it is wrong for humans to "give a shit" about their survival?

Edit: spoon beat me to it.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it's wrong to use propaganda such as "Save the Planet" and "Go Green" to fuel the agendas of agencies. Why don't they just flat out tell everyone that if we don't treat the planet better we will die?

http://www.myspace.com/kaylaandme

16 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:29 am

Pornfish

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
Why is it wrong? It's called using power words to attract attention. The goals are the same, and in a way you are saving the planet, at least the ecosystems in the planet as we know them. It's wrong if it was a bad cause, but this is a good cause. Power words are very important tools that have moved people into supporting something, mostly for bad, but for once, they are being used for good. Other power word examples are "axis of evil" and the like that were used to sway people towards a cause.

There's no edit button in NP, this way people watch what they say, as their mistakes will haunt 'em forever.


__________________________________________________________________________________________
"butts" -butts

17 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:30 pm

tool

avatar
Retired
Retired
It is wrong if they also redesign models and restructure calculations and numbers to fit their needs.

http://www.myspace.com/kaylaandme

18 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:25 pm

Virtuosity

avatar
Leader
Leader
Well I truthfully don't believe in the whole "Global Warming" although I do have to say people should take care of the Earth not that I am an environmentalist but some people treat it like shit.

19 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:32 pm

Insekz

avatar
Retired
Retired
Lazarus McDeathsinger wrote:

Edit: spoon beat me to it.

I don't think it's fair that you can edit but no one else who doesn't have admin can.

How is global warming affecting us apart from melting the polar ice caps? What are they good for anyway?

It's not like it's gonna start being 150º in winter, What do you suggest we do to stop global warming? Don't buy plastic bags? Use a car that runs on batteries? Recycle?

Yeah that's all good for the planet, but if everyone isn't all doing it at once, and for a good amount of time, I can guarantee a few hundred thousand people will not make even a minuscule difference.

20 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:11 pm

Pornfish

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
Polar ice caps melting affect a lot of coastal cities as both the change in temperature in water and the added volume make water rise.

And the whole sand grain theory of helping the world does help... to an extent. The real problems are the manufacturing industry. We need to change the way we make stuff to reduce the carbon footprint of our products.

Also, I never edit my opinions. I edit to keep the structure of the debate. If I brain fart and say Hitler was Italian, that will stay. It is important that I get to edit in order to keep the debate going. The edit of my last post meant to clarify to whom my response was directed, it didn't change the substance of the post. I've edited a lot of posts in NP of other people, be it to get rid of smileys, to change the title (here), to remove unneeded comments, etc...


__________________________________________________________________________________________
"butts" -butts

21 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:45 am

T@D

avatar
*pWp*Founder*
*pWp*Founder*
The problem here is people are still using the "facts" that have been proven to be lies from the start. The polar ice caps are doing what to who? Just because the temperature changes have occurred and it may have caused an extra "storm" or "weather pattern" has zip to do with global warming. Why do you ask? Because there IS NO global warming. I honestly believe if we really tried, I mean tried hard.... none of these emissions or o2 content would do anything, at all.

I was listening to Rush on the radio today and he said it exactly how things are..... The summit for these "tree huggers" in Copenhagen is simply a meeting to transfer money from one thing to another.

Look at how the US and most countries work. Find a "problem"... scare the country and even the world, drive up taxes, and create a "sludge fund" for governing sectors to tap into. It's been that way for ever.

Ill leave you with this fact...... the person in-charge of the entire "scientific" section of the global warming/save the earth campaign is a scientist?...... No he is an economist, because this isnt about the people, it isnt about the earth.... it's about money.

There is no "global warming".... there is the evolution of earth. As far as the non biodegradable garbage we crank out..... throw it in a dump somewhere and forget about it. Worst case? It effects the water, getting a few people sick but also creating hundreds of jobs so we can fix it. I know that sounds insane, but thats all this whole thing has been.


Create a scare so you can cash in.

See H1N1.


__________________________________________________________________________________________




"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.... Faith is the denial of observation so that beliefs can be preserved."


*{CHS}* Putch: im bringing sexxy back
*pWp*T@D*: I brought it back. But you are more then welcomed to fluff it.

<-H$*SoStoned / Pillies -: whos your quake fun person of the year taddie bear?!?!??!
*pWp*T@D*: me... dipshit.
*pWp*T@D*: Im the fun
.
http://www.pwpclan.org

22 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:22 am

eXcel


I Just got here!
im a lil bit changing the subject...

if u reserch closely you will find out that the pharmacy that took charge to produce the vaccine for this new type of flu is lead by the same person who lead the US in the Irak war.
Countries all over the world bought this vaccine.

today i was reading the newspaper they give in the metro and some specialists said that this H1N1 flu is 100 times less stronger then the Spanish flu that made thousands of deaths in 1918.

personally i wont even lose my time to go and let them vaccinate me

PS My english is not that enlightned so sorry for my grammar mistakes
English is not my first language and im talking here with what i learned from my native country school and a lil bit from films.

23 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:08 am

Pornfish

avatar
Quake III Member
Quake III Member
I think you're getting your facts wrong, Tad. The facts are that 97% of ALL the scientists of the field agree that global warming is due to man's activities. Doesn't really matter if the leader is an economist. See this quote:

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed the current scientific opinion, in particular on recent global warming. These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) position of January 2001 that states:

An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities.[1]

Since 2007, no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion

From here.

So how can we deny it when the respectable experts agree on it.
Now, the opposing side can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

How many organizations devoted to the matter are listed: none. Only individual scientists, and most of them don't even expertise in the field!

So the scientific community largely agrees that global warming exists and IS man made. If the scientists agree, who is opposing?


__________________________________________________________________________________________
"butts" -butts

24 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:13 pm

eXcel


I Just got here!
yea but they exagerated the nubers they got..
they made a 0.07% appear like a 0.2%

25 Re: Global Warming, hoax? on Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:05 pm

T@D

avatar
*pWp*Founder*
*pWp*Founder*
Exactly what Ex said. You can post all the findings you want but it has been proven that those "facts" are not accurate. Even worse then that, they were completely made up.

The information given the past 40 years on "global warming" coming from scientists is just as reliable as if the information came from a group of cab drivers. It has no scientific basis and even though these "scientists" now have said "well, maybe we were wrong".... they still are asking for money... to fix this non-existent problem.

There is no man-made global warming. There is strictly earths evolution.

Remember the "ice age"? Where's that at now?


__________________________________________________________________________________________




"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.... Faith is the denial of observation so that beliefs can be preserved."


*{CHS}* Putch: im bringing sexxy back
*pWp*T@D*: I brought it back. But you are more then welcomed to fluff it.

<-H$*SoStoned / Pillies -: whos your quake fun person of the year taddie bear?!?!??!
*pWp*T@D*: me... dipshit.
*pWp*T@D*: Im the fun
.
http://www.pwpclan.org

Sponsored content


View previous topic View next topic Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 2]

Go to page : 1, 2  Next

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum