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1 God or not. on Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:56 pm

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You can't find a better starting topic then to debate the existing of God... or it being one of the worlds largest lies. Cultures on every single land space believe in some sort of higher power.


What do you think?



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176 Re: God or not. on Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:37 pm

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177 Re: God or not. on Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:11 am

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T@D wrote:So, if there is a Heaven and/or a hell... none of you care. What about Pascal's Wager. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_wager ).

Typically everyone says the same thing in multiple situations.... "better safe the sorry". Why does this never seem to apply to the existence of God?
I don't do this because it wouldn't be truly following God, it would be me doing w/e I can to keep myself away from pain and suffering. "I'm following you God not because I believe in you, but just in case you, Heaven, and Hell are real and I don't wanna end up in the worse one," my interpretation of that.

It's like in The Mummy when Beni was praying in multiple religions, he was doing w/e it takes to survive, praying to random deities not because he believes in them, but because he wants their protection.


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178 Re: God or not. on Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:33 pm

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I'll address the things I posted in the racism topic since EQ asked.

Here's the list I posted..

"The bible promotes genocide, rape, murder, lying, stealing, racism, slavery, hatred, intolerance, incest, drunkenness, deception"

Genocide: "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

Rape(And Slavery and Stealing): As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

Lying: Look up Rahab. Someone "blessed" due to lying.

Stealing: There's tons they people were "commanded" to steal people, land, belongings.... the passage on Rape proves that as well.

Slavery: Posted a few in the other section.

Racism: But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. (Exodus 11:7)


Hatred: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2nd Thessalonians 2:12)

Intolerance: And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. (Genesis 38:7) (He was killed by "god" for picking up sticks on the sabbath)


Incest(Also rape by todays standards): Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. (Genesis 19:32-36)

Drunkenness: The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah; and from these the whole earth was peopled. Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard; and he drank of the wine, and became drunk, and lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside (Genesis 9:18-22)


Deception: See lying.

There are many passages for each in the bible, I just picked one for each bullet point. Like I said, teh bible is full of this kinda shit. Yes, it has good messages from time to time, but that's the part I don't understand. People claim they "believe/follow" the bible.... but never look at the whole book. Then wack jobs like Pastor Phelps come along with his "god hates fags" speech, and christians say he's crazy.... yet the backing of his beliefs come straight from the same bible. Terry Jones as well burning the Quran, where would he get an idea that people that don't believe in the same teachings he does are wrong, should die, and are of the devil? You guessed it... the bible. The bible specifically states unless you believe "jesus is the son of god, you can not enter the kingdom of heaven". There is no tolerance for any other type of religions. There is no "other road". The bible talks over and over about the killing of non-believers and was directly responsible for the Salem witch trials. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)

And school kid is taught there lessons from the textbook set for their classes. The bible, however, is only partially taught as to leave out a lot of sadistic things that happened. If you believe in the bible, murder of certain people are not only sanctioned, they are commanded.


When Moses brought down the 10 commandments with one of them being "Thou shall not kill"... what was the first thing he did? "And he said unto them: 'Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: Put ye every man his sword upon his thigh, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor." (Exodus 32:27)

What kind of moral person believes shit like that?


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179 Re: God or not. on Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:17 pm

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Thanks T@D... that is certainly a different side to the bible thans that which i have read... although it has to be said that much of it comes from the old testament, meaning it is not perhaps the most updated views presented in the Bible. One thing - in some of those from the text you presented it is not entirely clear as to whom is speaking, which may effect the actual message the Bible itself is trying to convey.

Obviously it makes it very messy, the Bible is merely a compilation of "prophit"'s writings and doings... even amongst those who do "believe" (as you say.. not all know exactly what they are into, but then not all are 100% dedicated) not all would believe every word in the bible, as being knowlege from God.


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180 Re: God or not. on Tue May 03, 2011 2:17 pm

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Sad story. A woman on the news reporting her story about the tornado devastation in the south said her and her 17 year old son were trying to stay safe in a bathroom. When the tornado hit their house, her son sat up and said "In the name of jesus christ, I command you to stop". He was then sucked out of the room into the tornado and thrown a long distance away and severely injured. So he tried to use his beliefs to no avail.

I'm continuing to research the story to find out exactly what happened after that. I will post more when I get it.


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181 Re: God or not. on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:55 pm

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Funny reading this, being an atheist. And now having a doctorate in religious studies Smile


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