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1 Why Racism will never go away. on Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:17 pm

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I know there is truly a problem out there with racism and people making ignorant remarks. Celebs, politicians, news media.... if they say something that can be used as "racism" they are immediately jumped on by some group or someone who considers themselves as a "leader" of some civil rights movement. My question is... when they take something and that is not a race issue and turn it into one... why is that acceptable? As much as they "preach" hatred towards racism they seem to tend to try and integrate it into things that have nothing to do with race.

Last week LeBron James announced he was going to forgo a re-sign with Cleveland where he has played for 7 years and sign with Miami. In my opinion it's a great career move for him to team up with talent he has not had a chance to ever play with to date. He's still young and has a lot of playing time in his future. the cavs really never gave him what was needed to really win a championship... although I believe they tried.

Obviously, the teams ownership was upset about him leaving the team. The feel a level of betrayal that he did not stay in his home town with the team that worked so hard to kep him.... but when it's all said and done it's a business decision made in a business environment.

The Cavs owner said "He has gotten a free pass," and "People have covered up for (James) for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is." Publically showing he was really upset with James' decision to leave the team. It's fairly childish for him to comment... but his comments were basically just that.... a display of dissatisfaction.

Then Jesse Jackson wants to jump on board in a situation he has nothing to do with at all. He has no stake in this what so ever. His life is not effected, nor is anyone else's, with the way that the cav owner feels about James leaving..... considering he had worked with him the past 7 years..

Heres what a "civil rights activist" had to say about the owners disappointment..."He speaks as an owner of LeBron and not the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers. His feelings of betrayal personify a slave master mentality. He sees LeBron as a runaway slave. This is an owner employee relationship -- between business partners -- and LeBron honoured his contract."

What the fuck? Ya, it was a business relationship. And Gilbert lost a member of his business that was a huge draw, helped ticket sales, and basically was a huge part of the teams funding the past 7 years..... but he said nothing at all even close to "slaves"..... not even close. But Jesse Jackson seems to have to bring race into a situation that race is not a factor. If the cavs owner said "fine, he can leave... cause hes black"... tehn ya, speak up. But stop trying to include race into a situation that it's not involved in. Complete bullshit to have someone who promotes "equality" to try and continue the divide of race by using everything he can to bring it up.

But then it's a touchy situation. If I call Jesse Jackson a racist then I'm in the wrong. He stands for equality and fights to stop racism.... at least thats what he says. I say....

Fuck you Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. BOTH of you are a large reason racism is still prevalent in this country. If we would be able to stop hearing from you two wack-jobs... maybe we could actually be able to focus on real racism and some changes could be made. Quit trying to throw racism into everything just to bring your name into the spotlight to try and complete your true agenda.... money and fame.

And to finish my rant... My family was brought here from Ireland as.... get this... slaves. The Irish people were also brought over as slaves into this country. Beaten, torchered, treated like shit for no wages to help basically build the eastern seaboard..... but I wasnt there. I was never a slave. Nor were my parents. And no one that "owned" my ancestors are even alive anymore. They went through hell, but because of that.... I'm in America. Ya, I know in so many ways it's easier to be white then black in this country.... but there has been vast improvements made. In my opinion these two fucktards are only hurting the cause... they arn't helping shit.





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26 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:56 pm

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T@D wrote:And if you read the bible, it is full of racism. They also believed in slavery

Not quite sure about that... i think it was more that they accepted it.

Also on the topic, jesus being born were he was... chances he was white... NIL. So that completely voids any sort of so-called Christian backed discrimination against black people.


T@D wrote:Slaves typically were what ever people were conquered by the other. Who was ever more advanced and organized basically "picked on" the less fortunate. Slavery should never just be looked at as a black/white thing or even an America thing. Like Dan said, it's been happening long before there was a US.


I never said anything about black people. I actually posted that it was not a black/white thing.


You don't think race played a part in in the bible? According to the bible, "god" was the one who divided the people into 2 races.... Jews and gentiles. If race was never an issue or necessary, why would a god be the one who makes the divide? Also, "god" instructed many killings of people in the bible specific to race/location.


As far as slavery, the bible is chalked full of not only backing slavery, but telling you the rules of slavery and how you should treat slaves, and even how far you are allowed to go in beating them and/or raping them.

*When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

(You can kill your slave by beating him... as long as he lives at least a day after the beating.

*However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

(Slaves are "property" to be handed down... and not treated with the kind of respect you would your family)



How about the New Testament? Surely slavery isn't in there since most christians shrug off the Old Testament.

*Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

I know this is another debate, but if the people that believe in the bible took even a day to read things that you don't hear in church, you would be disgusted. The bible promotes genocide, rape, murder, lying, stealing, racism, slavery, hatred, intolerance, incest, drunkenness, deception,.... and thats just a taste of what "god" promotes in his "holy book".


And lastly... if there was a jesus, I wouldn't go as far as calling him "white".

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27 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:50 pm

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EARTH_QUAKE wrote:
T@D wrote:And if you read the bible, it is full of racism. They also believed in slavery

Not quite sure about that... i think it was more that they accepted it.

Also on the topic, jesus being born were he was... chances he was white... NIL. So that completely voids any sort of so-called Christian backed discrimination against black people.
As it has been said in this topic, blacks weren't the only slaves in the world, and whites weren't the only slave-holders.

Hell, Africans were selling their enslaved brethren to us, because they were an enemy tribe and a prisoner of war, so to speak.

Again, like T@D said, whoever conquered whom used them as slaves..


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28 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:40 pm

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Ok.. i was wrong about them not believeing in slaves.

I wasn't suggesting that you had implied jesus was white, i was merely bringing up the point whilt on the subject of the Bible's view on racism... No christian could possibly argue to discriminate black people... the most important person in their belief was almost certainly black.

T@D wrote:The bible promotes genocide, rape, murder, lying, stealing, racism, slavery, hatred, intolerance, incest, drunkenness, deception,.... and thats just a taste of what "god" promotes in his "holy book".

I'm not saying you're wrong (as i have only read certain areas of the bible), but please give us some quotes.

For the record, i'm not actually religious and don't believe Jesus is the son of God and so on... not to say i discard the teachings in it. Part of the reason i
cant believe (past the fact i.. dont) is because the bible contradicts itself so often... in particular the old testament says certain things, but as the views on slavery, violence racism e.t.c. become more peaceful (as to say, closer to modern belief) the new testament is also more peaceful, and is mostly against these things. To me, if the prophets knew what they were talking about more than just a normal man they would always have been saying the same things... not "going with the times", as they appear to.

rant out Very Happy

And i'm not challenging anyone who is religious - i have not problem at all i'm just stating my own viewpoint.



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29 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:43 pm

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I won't post the bible things here that don't apply to the topic so we can stay on topic.

I will post http://www.pwpclan.org/t6195-god-or-not


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30 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:16 pm

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EARTH_QUAKE wrote:damn... my quote didn't work

How do you edit??
I fixed it for you Wink


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31 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:32 am

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http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/now/naomi-campbell-vs-cadbury/123

I'll comment on that tomorrow..... but I assume you see where I'm going to by posting the link...


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32 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:54 am

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Damn chocolate lady needs to go back to picking her cotton.. thinking she can stand up and speak her mind as a black woman.


Okay seriously what a JOKE. I am soooo tired of these black people thinking the world is still targeting them or they are still 'slaves'.


Look at this racist commercial.. putting white people next to wonder bread WTF!

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33 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:20 am

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I'm just gonna pretend I understood your point..


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34 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:42 am

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Sorry raging a little bit.

Basically I was getting to the point white people are the minority in the U.S. but all these other people say they get no respect.

Okay so they said chocolate is the new diva, they never said she was chocolate and even if so who gives a fck she does have chocolate skin, my God. They never called her a 'Nigga', 'Slave', 'Cotton picker', therefore this racist comment is bs.

People need to stop being so damn sensitive about shit.

My point about the commercial was there are white people in a wonder bread commercial.. you didn't see them out rage saying it was racist they put white people in a wonder bread commercial.



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35 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:34 pm

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36 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:23 pm

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Nah i get it virt - GOD DAMMIT THEY ARE LIKENING THAT KID TO WHITE BREAD THE RACIST SCUM!

honestly though, i don't think that was the point of the cadburies ad, to liken her (due to her skin colour) to chocolate. And she's hardly very black anyway!

[quote=vituosity] I am soooo tired of these black people thinking the world is still targeting them [/quote]

I know exactly what you mean... but there is a time to "tread easy".

If you get in an argument with someone, and insult them it's bad. But if they are, say, black they might think you are picking on them for their skin...

It's a tight line, easily crossed and easier misunderstood.


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37 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:28 pm

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I still don't have the time for a full comment yet, but Virt.... I know what you were getting at with your video, but to play devils advocate.....it's completely different.

The complaint is that the company used the fact she was black to compare/promote their product. White bread and a white kid is invalid unless they used the kid being white to promote the bread, which they don't do.

Although I believe this is still complete BS, I don't want to compare apples and oranges.

I'll post more tonight.


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38 Re: Why Racism will never go away. on Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:38 pm

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I'm not sure they were using her skin colour to compare her to chocolate - from reading the (biased against cadburies) article it stated quotes such as "there's a new diva in town".

It could have been totally un-related to skin colour.

Just firing ideas out there Smile


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